You can listen to it here, if, as Michael
Voris says, you have the stomach for it. I warn you, if you have an ounce of “traditionalist”
in your soul, you will be appalled. (You have to click on the little photo of
the bishop where it says “Listen to Bishop Taylor’s Year of Faith homily”.)
Here are some excerpts I transcribed from the audio (my emphases), interspersed with Voris's and my own comments:
…It’s really hard for young
people today to have any concept of the ghetto
mentality that pervaded the church 50 years ago, especially in places like
Arkansas where the Catholic Church was a small minority.
I remember well what it was like to be discouraged from reading the Bible out
of fear of misinterpreting it; and to
be forbidden to attend practically anything except funerals in a non-Catholic church
out of fear of contagion.
Michael Voris address the “misinterpretation” in the Vortex,
asking pointedly, “Given the MASSIVE misinterpretations that have resulted from
individual reading of Sacred Scripture all the way back to Martin Luther and
the 500 years since, isn’t that a legitimate concern?”
Voris also addresses the “contagion” issue - the idea that Catholics were discouraged
from interacting with Protestants in formal worship settings. Voris says, “Yep.
From the point of view of our eternal lives, what is to be gained from formally
associating with people who subscribe to a heresy?... ‘Sharing’ our faith
traditions with each other gives the impression that all of them are equally
valid…and they are not.”
Bishop Taylor goes on in his homily:
… Many of those who today seem so gripped with nostalgia for the time
before Vatican II, have no actual lived experience of what those days were really
like. So as you pray these documents, I invite you to consider what a blessing
it is to be able to participate fully in
the Mass, which was not the case
before Vatican II.
In the past, much of the laity prayed the Rosary privately during
Mass, especially prior to the introduction of the dialogue Mass in the 1950’s.
And very few people went to Communion
on any given Sunday. In those days it
was very much the priest’s Mass, and
only the priest and altar boys had liturgical roles. And only they could even
hear, in Latin, much of what was going on, because a lot of it was whispered. That was the reason for the bells, to
alert people that the priest had reached the consecration, and so they should interrupt their Rosaries and other
devotions and now direct their attention to the altar.
So first I invite you to consider
what a blessing it is to be able to
participate fully in the Mass, thanks to Vatican II.
Give. Me. A. Break. I guess no one had a missal back then.
But you know what? After a while, you know
what the priest is praying. You don’t necessarily have to hear it or read
it or follow along with it word by word. You know the Mass. And there have been the parts for the people for
ages. In fact, I’ve been told that people used to know how to sing the various
ordinaries, and would sing along with the schola at the appropriate times.
I had a little argument with the Apostolic Administrator of
our diocese about a year and a half ago, when he had effectively eliminated the
EF Mass here. He said all the politically correct things about how the EF Mass
was “fine” and “permitted” and “some people like it”, but he stubbornly
maintained that people could not participate fully because it was in Latin.
When I mentioned that we provided Mass booklets with the translation, he
dismissed that with a wave of his hand, saying, “They won’t read it.” Hogwash!
I told him that my own personal participation was greater at the “Latin Mass”,
and he told me that my participation would be greater in English! I suggested
that we agree to disagree.
Bishop Taylor goes on with other statements that give me a
headache:
…I invite you also to marvel at how the Holy Spirit inspired
the Council Fathers to use the inclusive,
dynamic image of the People of God to express the common ground we share
with other believers. Vatican II enabled us to recognize that as pilgrims on a
journey we should support our fellow non-Catholic believers in our common
effort to know and do God’s will as best we understand it. This ecumenical approach was the diametrical opposite of what we had been
doing up until then. Not to mention the positive new approach the Council
took regarding our interfaith
relationship with Jews, Muslims, and other non-Christian religions.
Really?! How
can something that is the diametrical opposite of the previous 1900 years of
teaching be seen as a good thing? Where’s the continuity? Was everything the
Church taught about “ecumenism” before Vatican II wrong? As Voris notes, “His
Excellency, in a not-so-veiled slam, implies that all that went before Vatican
II was not really what Jesus taught. THANK GOD for 1962 when the Church FINALLY
came into existence. Most of those previous 1900 years were not REALLY what
Jesus taught.”
My final quote from Bishop Taylor’s audio is this:
…Sure, there are funny stories,
even horror stories, about aberrations
and missteps in the implementation of the reforms of the Council - people who
acted on what they perceived to be the spirit of the Council rather than on what
the Council documents really said. But these
were the exception and serve only to
cloud the picture.
Are you kidding me?! “Exceptions”? We see these “exceptions”
every Sunday in parishes all over the US! These “exceptions” are standard fare in the Novus Ordo – some abuses
are more egregious than others, but the “interpretation” of the Council
documents has been free and loose from the beginning and remains so today.
Case in point: EVERY YEAR this kind of liturgical abuse goes on under the noses of various archbishops and bishops at the Los Angeles Religious Ed Conference. No one corrects it, and "educators" and "youth ministers" come home wanting to imitate the "liturgical dance" and other anomalies. But these are just "exceptions"...yeah...right...
Case in point: EVERY YEAR this kind of liturgical abuse goes on under the noses of various archbishops and bishops at the Los Angeles Religious Ed Conference. No one corrects it, and "educators" and "youth ministers" come home wanting to imitate the "liturgical dance" and other anomalies. But these are just "exceptions"...yeah...right...
Incidentally, Michael Voris also discussed Bishop Taylors
audio clip on the “ChurchMilitant.TV Mic’d Up” internet radio show this evening
(Wednesday); you can listen to the radio program here,
or watch the video version sometime tomorrow.
Here’s today’s Vortex, with the full script below.
With this week’s onset of the 50th anniversary of
the opening of the Second Vatican Council, many Catholics around the world have
been holding their breaths – fearing that a round of tradition bashing would be
unleashed.
It appears that has begun. The lead-off hitter appears to be
Little Rock Arkansas bishop Anthony Taylor.
He has just released an audio version of his take on Vatican
II. We have attached a link for you to hear…if you can stomach it.
Now let’s be clear right from the outset: this is not a
challenge to the bishop’s authority or anything of the kind.
But it is a focus on a mindset that has permeated much of
the Church in the west – including many bishops – and consequently their
priests and seminary rectors and staffs at the chancery and so forth. This
mindset is so pervasive that many may not even realize that it is the very air
they breathe.
It is the mindset that most of what went on before the
Second Vatican Council was bad or insufficient or deficient or somehow not
correct and that practically everything that happened after the council was good
and better and some coming-of-age fulfillment of a “BETTER” church.
So with that in mind, we are exploring Bishop Taylor’s
assessment of the Church before Vatican II and after.
It begins about 4 minutes in on his audio. His point of
reference is his own childhood memories of how terrible things were then and
how blessedly blissful they are now.
If that is his base of authority on which to speak – that he
lived before during and after the Council – ten we think that His Excellency
needs to be reminded that there are MANY MANY people who have the same base of
lived experience who would disagree full-throatedly with his points and
conclusions.
First, he has a self-admittedly four-year experience with
the Pre-Vatican II days, from when he was 10-14 years old… not a particularly
mature platform that – your middle school years – to be making vast sweeping
judgments about the world.
He first mentions a “ghetto” experience of the Church.
Really? A Catholic GHETTO?
Let’s look at those pre-council days and consider the utter
absurdity of that observation.
Does anyone remember Bishop Sheen? NATIONAL television
figure?
And how about Loretta Young, who, on her NATIONAL television
series over several years, played Sister Ann, head of nursing at a Catholic
hospital who was seen IN FOUR EPISODES making visits to the Blessed Sacrament,
blessing herself with holy water, blatantly showing her trust in, etc.
And there was the series special "Road to Lourdes"
about, well, Lourdes. And speaking of Lourdes, how about the 1943 FOUR-time
Oscar winning movie “The Song of Bernadette”?
And what about "Dial O for O'Malley”, Bing Crosby in
"Going My Way" and "The Bells of St. Mary's", who, while
obviously an idealized portrayal of a Catholic priest, was close enough to
NORMAL experience of Catholic priests that he could inspire you rather than
make you laugh at the absurdity of the idealization.
And how about Pat O'Brien and Spencer Tracy as Fr. Duffy and
Fr. Flanagan, respectively, with Tracy taking home the best-acting Oscar?
The amazing thing about this supposed Catholic Ghetto was
its ability to inspire a PROTESTANT, quite often anti-Catholic culture, to
accept its message. This “Catholic ghetto” inspired a world with its
proclamation of its ideals.
Catholics of the day had no shared anything to speak of
except their faith. We didn’t dress alike, have the same ethnic backgrounds,
eat the same foods, do the same work, live in the same places.
Heck, in many cases, depending on the ethnic background the
original different groups of immigrants, we didn’t even have the same devotions.
Of course, there were shared experiences – but those experiences were rooted in
the faith…our beliefs…what is called our Catholic identity.
Incidentally, it is that same Catholic identity that many
bishops in the US have stated quite openly we need to discover again. How, pray
tell, can we re-discover and live our Catholic identity without fear of
returning to the ghetto? There appear to be contradictions even among the
bishops.
His Excellency seems to have bought into a revisionist
history of a time largely before he was born.
Now here was another humdinger: that Catholics were
discouraged from reading the bible for fear of misinterpreting it. Given the
MASSIVE misinterpretations that have resulted from individual reading of Sacred
Scripture all the way back to Martin Luther and the 500 years since, isn’t that
a legitimate concern?
And those misinterpretations have resulted in a world full
of woe.
Even today, all over the western world, Catholics gather for
“Bible Studies” that are nothing more than “tell me how that passage makes you
FEEL sessions”. That’s not bible study, and it most certainly is not learning
about the scriptures with the mind and heart of the Church.
That Catholics don’t KNOW the Bible is a Protestant canard.
Sure, many may not know book, chapter, and verse – as if that’s really all that
important anyway – but faithful Catholics absolutely do know those scriptural
truths, whether they could cite the book or not.
Then he goes on to say how Catholics were discouraged from
interacting with Protestants in formal worship settings. Yep. From the point of
view of our eternal lives, what is to be gained from formally associating with
people who subscribe to a heresy?
That isn’t to say shun them and be rude and not invite them
to barbeques. But it is to say that to mingle truth with heresy in a form that
appears to be condoning of error will bode nothing but bad.
“Sharing” our faith traditions with each other gives the
impression that all of them are equally valid…and they are not.
Unless your goal is to evangelize and convert them, what’s
the point? It’s like dating a girl you aren’t gonna marry. Sure, you might have
some laughs or fun times along the way, but in the end, what’s the point? The
Catholic life has a very definite end – and it is salvation and bringing others
to it.
His Excellency, in a not-so-veiled slam, implies that all
that went before Vatican II was not really what Jesus taught. THANK GOD for
1962 when the Church FINALLY came into existence. Most of those previous 1900
years were not REALLY what Jesus taught.
In a broad and dismissive statement, totally unbecoming of
his role as a successor of the Apostles, he says that today’s young people who
are – notice the language here – GRIPPED
– by a nostalgia for a time they never knew, just don’t realize what “those”
days were really like.
Yep, Your Excellency: it must have been horrible to have
packed churches; vocations by the millions; faithful catechism being taught in
a thriving Catholic school system; two-hour long lines for confession; attended
Mass; believed in sin; believed in Hell; didn’t shack up, abort their children,
use birth control, support same-sex marriage, divorce and re-marry like the
rest of the world; actually believe that Jesus was present in the Eucharist; have
their children baptized into families that actually believed and understood
what that baptism meant; honored the Mother of God; and on and on.
Oh, the horror of what the Church must have been like in
“those days”.
Imagine: balanced books in parishes; Catholic educational
institutions popping up everywhere; converts coming to her by the hundreds of
thousands; award winning movies; number-one ranked TV programs; best-selling
books;so many vocations we could export religious to the missions, instead of
importing priests to now shrinking parishes.
Bishop Taylor goes on to say more and imply even much more
in the next section of his audio and we are going to pick up with that
tomorrow.
And it shouldn’t come as a surprise that he takes direct aim
at Traditional Latin Mass – a Mass he comes close to portraying as a kind of
meaningless waste of time for the laity that had no real connection to
anything.
Excuse me, Your Excellency, but that MASS was what brought
my father into the Faith in the late 1950’s – a Faith that he passed on to me.
And his experience was certainly not singular; millions of people came into the
Church because of the solemnity and mystery of that Mass, unlike the abuse-ridden
current Mass, which while absolutely valid, has resulted in a near collapse of
the Faith in the west.
That’s why the Pope and many others in the Church are taking
a long hard look at what’s gone wrong and trying in fits and starts to fix it.
It’s why we have a new translation – to be faithful to the original Latin.
To paint pre-Vatican II types as either nostalgic children
too stupid to understand what things were “really” like – as if YOU are the
sole expert – or a bunch of old doddering dementia victims, is an approach that
should elicit an apology.
The Church before Vatican II knew who she was, produced
countless saints and the greatest minds the world has ever known, brought
untold millions of converts to the Church established by Our Blessed Lord as
his ONLY one true Church.
What do we have now? Look around Your Excellency, look
around. A near bankrupt bureaucracy that needs to run one fundraising campaign
after another to fleece the flock to make up for billions paid out in legal
costs for homosexual predator priests…and shrinking …nuns who hop on a bus and
travel the nation’s highways whipping up support for a child murdering
president…2000 parishes closed in twenty years.
With all due respect Your Excellency, you need to drop the
revisionist history and get out more. More on this tomorrow.
The Bishop can best be described as a kool aid drinker
ReplyDeleteIt was just sickening listening to that yesterday...
ReplyDeleteIt did give me a renewed appreciation for our Bishop, since we have a Latin Mass in the cathedral here!
SAD to hear this Bishop say these things about Our Catholic Church before Vatican II ...God help us all .
ReplyDeleteMichael Voris was again great in his presentation , speaking the TRUTH about the Catholic Church before Vatican II....and the HOLY SACRIFICE of the Mass , the most wonderful thing this side of Heaven . Each and every Sunday I go to Calvary to assist at Holy Mass at St. Francis de Sales Oratory...I don't attend some atered down liturgy or community meal Your Excellency ....I want reverence and awe when I worship Jesus Christ my Lord , not some puppet, hand holding , community supper....NEVER!
Much prayer is needed for our Bishops ...so let us begin to do just that.
Yes Jay , the Remnant is here .
One more thing:
ReplyDeleteThe past 1900 years is not what JESUS taught ...are you for real Your Ecellency .
God have mercy on you and all Bisops who speak these horrible lies.
I was told that one of our GREAT Saints spoke this truth: THE CORRIDORS OF HEEL ARE PAVED WITH THE SKULLS OF BISHOPS ....
We beg MERCY for Your Church Lord Jesus, MERCY!
I am just in shock at the words of this Bishop ...it is truly sad and alarming!
In the deepest part of hell, there is yet another pit, deeper and darker than the first. It is to this pit all the evil bishops and other clergy are condemned.
ReplyDeleteThey've been saying these things so long that the majority of the Catholics in the pews now believe all this nonsense - even those old enough to know it is not true.
ReplyDeleteI am a former sedevacantist/SSPXer. Does anyone here have any idea how hard it is for me to stay in the Church? I have the misfortune of being in the worst parish in our diocese - by "worse" I mean most liberal. As a former assistant priest there told me, it is more Protestant than Catholic, and he would never, if he was a layman, choose to live out his faith in such a place.
Lorraine
I'm afraid that one look at the photo of Bishop Taylor does not exactly suggest a Shepherd willing to protect his flock. Nor, I'm afraid, does his visage suggest manliness.
ReplyDeleteDan, I thought the same thing, but wasn't going to say it...him being a successor of the apostles and all.
ReplyDeleteLorraine
Dan and Lorraine...well...LOL! I have seen some photos recently of some dorky-looking prelates, but then I look at my own photo and have to laugh at myself, too. We can't "judge a book by its cover", of course!
ReplyDeleteDr. Boyd, I solved that problem. I don't take any more pictures of myself! Bad enough I have a mirror.
ReplyDeleteLorraine
Lorraine - ROFL!!! I know what you mean!
ReplyDeleteTiming is everything.
ReplyDeleteTake a look at one of the current entries at Fr. Z's.
http://wdtprs.com/blog/2012/10/quaeritur-a-stable-group-petitioned-the-extraordinary-form-but-the-parish-council-says-no/#comments
Why do they loathe Tradition? I fail to understand this. I say this as a Catholic who has assisted at one (1!) EF of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. (not available to us - a long way off)
CK
I just listened to Bishop Taylor's audio ..and it made me sick to my stomach .
ReplyDeleteI could have almost thought I was listening to a protestant minister ...when he talked about having personal relationship with Jesus Christ and all the other lies he spoke ..God have mercy on him.
Then he talks about this modern secular society we live in and embracing our brothers and sisters of other faiths.
What happened Your Excellency to what the Fathers of the Church taught and proclaimed : No Salvation ouside the Catholic Church and to my knowledge Jesus Christ founded ONE CHURCH and ONE CHURCH : it happens to be the Catholic Church ...all others are FALSE because they are all MAN MADE! Pray for Our Bishops !
Jeanne!! Get with the program!!! Where have you been the past 50 years????
ReplyDelete"No Salvation outside the Catholic Church and to my knowledge Jesus Christ founded ONE CHURCH and ONE CHURCH : it happens to be the Catholic Church ...all others are FALSE because they are all MAN MADE!"
That's all been updated. I believe it is called "evolution of doctrine"...or some such thing.
Lorraine
P.S. This is my attempt at some Vatican II humor! :)
Lorraine, you had me worried there for a minute, till I saw your name! LOL! Yeah, and as commenter Terry C says, "The Church only started after Vatican II."
ReplyDeleteWe need a list of good Vaddican Too one-liners.
Dr. Boyd, my husband always says that Vatican II is the dividing line in the sand.
ReplyDeleteLorraine