tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1531497517644951122.post3143871960923694765..comments2024-03-21T00:15:48.886-07:00Comments on Philothea on Phire: War on Conscience, or War on Truth?Jayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09927474235629912604noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1531497517644951122.post-3371181652756043962012-01-28T09:42:46.369-08:002012-01-28T09:42:46.369-08:00Rick and Agronomist: your comments are thought pro...Rick and Agronomist: your comments are thought provoking. If you see smoke rising from the vicinity of Eastern Oregon, it is my little brain working hard at consolidating these notions and others I've been meditation upon. ;-) Thanks.Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09927474235629912604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1531497517644951122.post-45887209242289876612012-01-28T09:26:18.816-08:002012-01-28T09:26:18.816-08:00As Rick said, the problem of Catholics using these...As Rick said, the problem of Catholics using these words stems from the attitude of Church herself. In fact, the problem comes from within the documents of the non-dogmatic, pastoral Council themslelves! (see Dignitatis Humanae) Jay, your words come as a breath of fresh air as I read various commentaries on this HHS travesty. The recent Vatican-SSPX discussions surely spent a good deal of time on this very question and let us pray that our spiritual leaders in Rome are starting to clue in on the contradiction between the perennial teaching of the Church and the modernist notions "religious liberty" and "freedom of conscience". Archbishop Lefebvre wrote an excellent little study of the issue in "Religious Liberty Questioned" (available from Angelus Press) and an SSPX priest just last week had a concise commentary here: http://sspx.org/pastors_corner/pastors_corner_january_2012.htm#libertas (Libertas Ecclesiae versus Libertas Religionis)Catholic Agronomisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10121533429010810649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1531497517644951122.post-27828118043064833362012-01-28T08:51:23.605-08:002012-01-28T08:51:23.605-08:00The problem, I am afraid, consists in the decision...The problem, I am afraid, consists in the decision of the Church after the Council to perceive in the American Revolution an acceptable alternative to the hideous murdering insanity of the French Revolution.<br /><br />It looks very much to me like our Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI- the last of the conciliar Popes, and the one who would determine the fate of the Council's vision- looked to the American Experiment as something with which the Church could settle, as something into which She could enter into a dialogue, adopting some of its notions at least pragmatically ("religious liberty" being the profound one) and achieving a......hate to say it but.....Hegelian synthesis which would take the form of a "New Evangelization".<br /><br />It must have sounded good at the time.Rick DeLanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06675522207482535734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1531497517644951122.post-24884856298906260172012-01-27T14:09:05.498-08:002012-01-27T14:09:05.498-08:00Awesome, and completely true. This is why I think...Awesome, and completely true. This is why I think we've got to make this more than just a political fight, as Thomas Peters at CatholicVote wants to do, and make this HHS issue a war for the souls of the membership of the Church. We must have bishops and priests give sermons defending Catholic Truth now! Defending the Doctrine itself, not just the political over-reach of the Obama Administration. But I see almost no bishops doing so, they are all framing this as a constitutional issue, because they don't want to have to fight that battle within the Church. They may also be afraid that alot of their internal support will go away if they start condemning personal contraceptive use, sterilization, etc.<br /><br />We converts are crazy! We actually believe this stuff!Tantumblogohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15024592414340703114noreply@blogger.com